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MacGraeme's avatar

There is a fourth category to consider: "Practicing Christian", meaning one who regularly participates in the ritual and communal practices of an organized group of Christians. Does Ali attend any church services? Does she pray at night before bed, or before meals or pray at all?

Note that practicing Christian is compatible with any of the the three types mentioned above.

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Marta Manildi's avatar

I appreciate the care and generosity of the distinctions made in this comment, and perhaps I should learn some greater generosity from it. But I find it hard to understand how it helps for Ms. Hirsi-Ali to call oneself some sort of Christian, albeit a modified one. As you indicate, the fundamental thing that makes Christians Christians, and distinguishes them from others, is their particular beliefs, in God (which they have in common with other monotheisms), and then in Jesus as the son of God and the path to salvation (which distinguishes the from the other monotheisms). One can admire many of Jesus' teachings, and can join with Christians in social movements and politics, without being a "cultural" Christian or a "political" Christian. Labelling "goodness", or less harmfulness, as "Christian" seems to me to give too much credit to the religion itself, and to reduce further the recognition of the beauty and promise of atheism. While I am sometimes charmed by a polytheistic approach, which can have delightful elements of storytelling, only atheism locates our ethics, our morality, and our responsibility for our behavior, in reality. We are obliged to look to the history of our own evolution, to express how we want to be and can be as a species, including in relation to other species, and why we form the moral code that we do. (I do not mean to indicate atheists agree with each other, but rather to locate where the discussion should take place.) The obligation is on us to form an ethic, and to be able to articulate the case for it, without reference to religion. Undoubtedly any philosophy or moral code will overlap in some aspects with religiously generated codes as articulated by practitioners from time to time (and place to place). But what is gained by referring to, or preferring, one religious culture to another? Which one is worse, or better, will change. Would we gain anything if we referred to ourselves as "atheist Christians"? How is that better than, simply, "atheist"?

Respectfully (and gratefully) yours.

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